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Old 01-27-2013, 04:36 PM
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By this time, everybody knows the story of Lance Armstrong (LA), and how he cheated by blood doping. But what is "blood doping?" How does it work? Why does it give the athlete an undue advantage?

Blood doping is a mislabeled term. It should be called "blood boosting." The principle is simple science. Muscles, and the cells in the muscles need oxygen. Oxygen is carried in the blood. Hemoglobin is the primary carrier. You have less of it, you are anemic. It affects performance. You have lots of it, your cells have lots more oxygen to use at one time.

Somewhere in 1960's and 1970's, someone wondered this - What if you can increase your red blood cell count? Would that make you perform better? In those, days, there were no drugs or what we today call them EPO (Erythropoietin), a natural hormone that triggers the production of red blood cells, but can be artificially be made to trigger the blood production. In the early days, the way to boost your blood is to take some blood from you, put it in a freezer for 28-30 days, and while waiting you continue exercising as the body rebuilds its red blood cell count. After 30 days or so, your same blood is re-injected back to you. Your red blood cell count now would have shot up dramatically!

Early tests in this showed a truly significant improvement in performance when one doped. A typical 16+ to 17min low 5k runner would lose about 45 sec of that time after the doping!

In the past 20 years, this take-blood-freeze-and reinject blood back is no longer done. They have found a better way to do it. It is by taking artificial EPO. It tricks the body to produce more red blood cells without the need for the lengthy and tedious process of blood removal and re-injection. There is less chance of mistakes too somewhere along the chain of doping.

The problem with EPO is in the early days, was the athletes (particularly cyclists) injected them by themselves. EPO was developed not for performance boosting, but for sick people who have trouble producing red blood cells because of illness. But since the athletes are doing this not because they are sick, but to gain undue advantage, they do not know the safe doses needed. And so, sometime 1991, a dozen or more cyclists died because of EPO overdose. Too much red blood cells in the blood thickens the blood (lumalapot ang dugo). This has the effect of causing heart attacks, or brain strokes. Think of your fuel line or oil being so thick that it forces the car engine to stop running. That is what happens when people don't know how to use it.

Of course, in time, doctors were consulted and thus the deaths were avoided. That's partly how LA, covered his tracks. And the "injection" of EPO was changed from the syringe to other ways of applying it without injection. And they learned how to control the dosage, the frequency, and when to apply it.

What happens when you dope or get this undue advantage? Well, you don't get tired quickly. You've got more oxygen your muscles can use compared to those who don't use EPO. And you recover much quickly. In foot races with heats, or daily or 2 day grinds like the TDF, being able to get back to top peak or near it, is a big advantage. Someone who is clean but does not use EPO might win a stage now, or even the 2nd day, but he will falter in the succeeding stages.

In a nutshell, this is what blood doping is about. And this is why it is illegal as a method of training or getting better.


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nasubukan nyo na? hehehe.

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thanks sa info...
mukhang kailangan ko sa sa century ride namin......joke...

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so pwede pala gaimitin to in a non-competetive manner? as long as you know when and how to use it? like what Rooster69 said, mukhang kelangan sa century ride, hehehe....

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so pwede pala gaimitin to in a non-competetive manner? as long as you know when and how to use it? like what Rooster69 said, mukhang kelangan sa century ride, hehehe....
A disclaimer first - I am not advocating blood doping.

Now that is out of the way, the caveats.

Well, I've made the explanation as simple as I could. But the actual implementation is much tricky. Harder really unless you are a doctor. Even if you are a doctor, you likely will need someone to help you out on this. Now if one can answer these series of questions, then maybe one can give it a try. At your own risk of course!

- Do you know how to find your vein
- Once you find it, do you know how to extract blood?
- How much will you remove?
- Do you have a centrifuge to extract only the hemoglobin and lessen blood volume?
If you don't do that, after 30 days, when your body has compensated for that lost blood, where are you going to put that stored blood if you don't know how to extract only the hemoglobin component?
- And when you re-infuse, that blood is going to be thick. Shouldn't you use some blood thinners? Can you do without it? How?
- Do you have proper storage (a ref) that can maintain the proper temperature for 30 days? Handle brown-outs or black outs? Will it be dedicated only for that or will other members of your family will be opening your ref door all the time, just roller coasting the internal ref temp and thus maybe compromising your stored blood?
- Do you have the lab or know what to tell a lab what to check before you put it back?
- Do you know how to find the artery?
- Once you find it, do you know how to put your blood back?
- Do you know how long you should be putting it back? Too fast and it could be bad for you.
- Can you do all these procedures alone or will you need someone to help you in case something goes wrong?

Once you've figured this out, and are confident you can pull it off,

If you plan the EPO route, it's much simpler without all those issues. But then again, how much will you put? How often? How long? Can you monitor your hematocrit levels so you won't exceed the safe amount? What is your baseline hematocrit levels?

I have purposely simplified the explanation of how blood doping works, but the complexity and dangers are there in the actual implementation. People have died trying this and if one does not know how to do it, one can be one of those stats. And what for? So, that in one of one's ride, one can boast to be the king of the hill? And if one competes locally, with no testing, how long can you keep this a secret? Once you enter the international scene you'll be discovered!

Finally, and lest people forget, blood doping doesn't mean you can skip training or train less. If any, in order for one to benefit from it, one must train harder. In fact, blood doping allows you to do that. But if you do not have this work ethic or a know how to train properly, you may just be squandering this advantage.

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very well said sir. thank you for sharing this info

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or you can live in high altitude places. thinner air means your body needs to produce more blood cells right?

not sure if Baguio will have that effect already

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I think doping will defeat the purpose of you challenging yourself on what you can do, mapagmamalaki mo ba achievement mo kung gumamit ka naman ng ganitong method? la lungs, opinyon lang

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or you can live in high altitude places. thinner air means your body needs to produce more blood cells right?

not sure if Baguio will have that effect already
Yes. That works too. Not as effective as EPO, but it is not cheating and is accepted. But the altitude has to be around 5,000-8,000 ft above sea level. Best around 7,000-8,000. That's the alt of where the Kenyans live in the Rift Valley.

There is another way to increase hemoglobin or hematocrit count. That's having hypoxic or simulating high altitude in your house. Designate your bedroom as one. But you have to seal it, and you have to have pumps and all plumbing to make this work.

You have to read on when to go down from altitude too. Staying too long "up there" can slow you down or make you sluggish if you just come down from altitude 3-7 days before the race. Also, they found out that speed work is best done in sea level. Aerobic conditioning in altitude.

There are many nuances and caveats. Talagang mas masali pa rin gumamit ng EPO. But it's not good. Siguro, kung meroon race na puwede EPO hayan, magkakitaan na ng galing! The problem there is even if it is sanctioned, they will likely abuse it. The accepted levels of hematocrit is 50. I'm sure many will go up beyond that, then go down for testing. That's what Lance Armstrong did. Trouble with overdosing is, it could kill you. And if you use thinners, there are chemical markers, buko ka.

Hindi na ganoon kadali mandaya ngayon. May mga nahuli sa 2012 Oympics na nag-EPO and stripped of their medals or were refused to compete. Ban ka pa at least 2 years at maiinit ang mata na sa iyo. Kahit siguro manalo ka ng legal, malaking suspetsa pa rin sa yo. Once tainted it's almost zero to come back.

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daym ,marunong pala magtagalog si Caterpillar
I was suspecting you spoke italian and your real name is michele ferrari
You should have your own sub forum here
Tumataas IQ ko when I read your posts

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Nice Info Caterpillar...... and for all the Guy's we all now knew how it works....I'd better follow nature's way.... safe humanely, when we invented Fastfood thats when we put our selve in clear danger... but your free to decide, and thats the essence of freedom...

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Very informative sir. Thank you for the knowledge gained. Very interesting.

That's why i prefer to follow biking disciplines which reward those who can actually handle their bike and not just those who can pedal the longest. Too much dirty science in endurance sports nowadays...

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IMHO, doping in "blood doping" is not really a mislabel. In Electronics terminologies, doping means intentionally introducing impurities into something like a semiconductor, for the purpose of altering its properties.

By injecting EPO, something foreign is introduced to the human body, so the term doping is not a misnomer. Just my two cents.

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Akala ko talaga they were "doping" as in smoking marijuana during the TDF.

Nice info sir. Thank you.

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Nice thread!

simplifies the learning process for us non-techies

Thanks Caterpillar! I 2nd Doboltap's high regard

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Siksik sa info in just one page! Astig!

BTW bigla ko naalala ko yung isang room sa Korin Tower, yung napakataas na tower, kung saan nag ensayo sila Son Goku bago sila lumaban. Ilang taon ang lumilipas sa loob para mag ensayo pero minuto lang ang nawala sa labas. hehehe. Wala lang. That must be dope!

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nice info caterpillar! astig! thank you for shedding light in this oh so complicated matter

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IMHO, doping in "blood doping" is not really a mislabel. In Electronics terminologies, doping means intentionally introducing impurities into something like a semiconductor, for the purpose of altering its properties.

By injecting EPO, something foreign is introduced to the human body, so the term doping is not a misnomer. Just my two cents.
Well, doping in the semicon industry, is different. You introduce that impurity to get the the Emitter, Base, Collector characteristics of a basic transistor. Without that "dope," you can't have the effect you want.

EPO however, is a hormone. It exists naturally in our bodies unless one is sick and you cannot produce it on your own. It is a hormone that triggers the bone marrows to produce red blood cells. It does this when our bloods have less red blood cells. This is automatically detected and adjusted and EPO is the one that does the triggering. However, there are some illnesses where the body cannot produce or does not have this trigger to produce red bloods cells. Enter the EPO that is injected into the body to induce the red blood cells production.

Hence, it is not an impurity, as in doping of a transistor. It is not even an anomaly. It is however, dangerous, because if one's hematocrit levels (that's the percentage red blood cells with respect to other things that compose blood, like platelets, plasma, etc) go beyond 50, things could become dangerous.

As I wrote, it would more appropriate to call it, "blood boosting." In fact, it is as accurate as it gets. Even the old way of doing it, which is removing, freezing and reinjecting the blood is really boosting. It is not doping, especially so, that it is, after all, your own blood.

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why mess with something that keeps you alive? why not just keep it as it is and keep on improving yourself through proper training and discipline...

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