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Old 03-26-2010, 01:48 AM
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Default acera set compared to alivio set

hello sirs,

i'm really just very curious kc nakabili kmi ng merida matts 20D na naka acera set. the shop said that it was a good starter bike for us. pero i was hoping to get a built bike that had an alivio set because i heard it was original shimano. anyway, we've already bought it as a starter bike because of our budget and we liked the color hehe.

i'd like to know if there's a really big difference in an acera set as compared to an alivio set. mas matibay ba yung alivio? bulok ba yung acera?

thanks in advance guys.


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Old 03-26-2010, 02:09 AM
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sakto! ive been thinking about this also coz im planning to build a mtbike..
nagcanvass kase ako thru fone and to my surprise eh mas mura yung acera than the alivio.. tama ba yun??

i really don't know which is better between the 2.
ive been hearing about alivio, base on it it is great for starters..

in addition pwede po ba pa-list na din ng mga groupset na locally available from mid-end to low-end & kung ilang speed.. TIA

@chwoiy
magkano po bili nyo sa merida matts 20D? w/ disc po ba??

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Old 03-26-2010, 02:10 AM
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di naman bulok ang acera set,, sakit naman nun,, hehehe,, kasi gamit ko rin yan eh,, hehehe,,

eto from shimano,,

"ACERA is an MTB-style component group that offers an 8-speed drivetrain. ACERA delivers the responsive feeling of a serious mountain bike to casual riders and entry-level cyclists. Visit your local bike shop to learn more about ACERA and other Shimano components."

nasa gumagamit na rin siguro,, yung sakin nai-trail,, long ride,, jumps,, putikan,, etc... ok pa naman,, ganda pa rin ng shifting,,

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Old 03-26-2010, 02:27 AM
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nabili namin @ 14.5k yung matts 20D white porma nga e hehe kaso di ko lang talaga alam kung maganda yung acera. naka disc brake narin pala cya na hayes, merida fork pero nakasulat sa site RST gila ml100

ok naman. so far ok naman cya. matunog lang chaka malakas pumalag pag nag shift. di ko alam kung ganun ba talaga or merong mas swabe pa. well, i'm sure merong mas swabe pa pero baka naman super mahal na.

nacurious lang ako kc ang acera china made component cya. ang alivio kc ang entry level ng totoong shimano. di ko pa cya honestly natry sa dirt. pero i'm glad may nag comment na nakagamit na cya. that's very good to hear na kahit papano matibay din. so far wala pa naman stuck up and hindi naman tumatalon ng gears.

grabe kc yung mga reviews sa ibang site. ang lakas manlait.

pero for those na nakatry na ng acera and alivio, does the alivio have a significant difference as compared to the acera?

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Old 03-26-2010, 02:34 AM
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check mo rin sa site ng shimano Sir,,

"ACERA is an MTB-style component group that offers an 8-speed drivetrain. ACERA delivers the responsive feeling of a serious mountain bike to casual riders and entry-level cyclists. Visit your local bike shop to learn more about ACERA and other Shimano components."

"ALIVIO has a reputation for style, value and great performance. With a simple rugged design, an 8-speed drivetrain, and full compliment of advanced Shimano functions, ALIVIO adds up to a high-quality recreational mountain bike group."

http://www.shimano.com/

yung sakin ok naman sa shifting at hindi matunog,, siguro nai-tono ko lang ng maayos,,

HTH,,

pagsawaan mo muna yang MTB mo,, tignan mo kung di ka masa-satisfy sa acera,, kung hindi mag-upgrade ka na,,

so far sakin ok naman,, pagbumigay/nasira saka na ako mag-upgrade,,


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Old 03-26-2010, 10:05 AM
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according kay kuya wiki, eto ang hierarchy ng shimano group para sa recreational mt biking:

Recreational mountain bikes component

* Alivio (8 speed)
* Acera (8 speed)
* Altus (8 speed)
* Tourney (7 speed) - Includes several different levels of quality, and can be found on department-store bicycles

ibig sabihin, acera is 1 rank lower than alivio. after alivio ay deore na pataas

user ako ng alivio, meron kaming kasamahan na halimaw pero ang gamit ay acera for years... wala pa syang balak magpalit, naka 9-speed na ang mokong (acera rd with non-shimano shifter and cogs)...

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Old 03-27-2010, 12:49 AM
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tama si sir johnbonalos.

tingin ko shimano usa yung website na tinignan mo. pero sa shimano europe at shimano asia na website kasama pa yung acera, altus, at tourney. kaya malamang original rin yung acera mo. wag ka muna ma-excite mag-palit, di pa naman sira eh. tsaka yung fork mo, siguro ganun talaga style ng mga built bikes, yung nilalagyan nila ng pangalan ng company yung fork, pero original pa rin naman yun. gaya nung nakita ko na giant na may suntour na fork, ang kulay ng fork ay blue na may pangalan ng giant at ng suntour.

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Old 03-27-2010, 01:09 AM
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thanks guys! i've learned to accept that my bike is good enough! big big help to have u guys giving us newbies some good advice.

which brings me to my next question.

the merida matts 20D i think is too small for me. for my wife. ok cya sakto.

pero when i ride it, parang nahirapan ako mag pedal kc masyado atang nagfofold yung knees ko. parang hindi ko magawa yung pag pedal ng swabe. may sabit sa tuhod. minsan hindi ko naaapakan ng tama yung pedal. meron pang times na tumatama yung tip ng shoes ko sa gulong pag nagtuturn.

is the bike really too small for me? i've tried adjusting the seat height para makapedal ng matino. pero yung step down ko sa ground sobrang layo. hindi ko na ata maaapakan yung sahig.

i don't know kung ako yung may mali or the bike is too small for me.

need help mga sir coz i'm planning to buy another built bike again.

thanks in advance

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Old 03-27-2010, 01:25 AM
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Default Re: acera set compared to alivio set

acera user for 3 months.. almost everyday trail ride ako using acera RD (not set) and im very satisfied with the performance.. shifts fast and accurate with shimano non series shifter.. ntry ko na rin alivio groupset at masasabi ko lang na parehas lng ng feeling and comfort compare with acera.. both are good entry level components.. sulit sa presyo!

tama sila mag upgrade kalang pag nasira (napasabit ung RD sa bato)..

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Old 03-27-2010, 01:30 AM
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thanks sir for the great input. yun ang hinahanap ko, yung nakatry narin ng alivio. i'm really happy to hear na halos same lang nga when it comes to function. baka nga sa tibay lang sila nagkakaiba

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Old 03-27-2010, 04:16 PM
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thanks ghorio!

haha nakita ko sa box kasama nung bike may nakasulat na 16" yun ba ang ibig sabihin ng size?

bopols talaga hindi kmi masyado nag research. well, at least happy si misis hehehe

ako naman ang next na bibili cgro. kaso hindi ko nga alam yung size. i might jsut drop by sa shop nga.

yung matts 20MD same yata sa 20D e.

yung 20V yung iba, meaning v-brakes ata.

anyway, kagabi ko lang nakita na ang dami palang brand ng bikes! iba iba ang offer na pyesa.

i just don't know which brands are good.

ang alam ko lang kc is giant trek and merida. the rest di ko alam kung ok.

any suggestions for the "soon to be" bike? 15k cgro budget. pero kung konti lang diff sa better one, anu kaya ang ok? was hoping to get alivio set pero kung may deore na kakasya sa budget, mas ok!

thanks in advance guys! great help!

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Old 03-27-2010, 08:18 PM
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chwoiy,
CONGRATS DIN SA NEW MTB mo.
sa P15k mo marami ka na magagandang mtb mapagpipilian. Just consider one important thing kailangan hindi lang sa ganda ng bike ang option mo, dapat perfect match sa built ng body para walang sabit-sabit....

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Alivio ang pinakamaganda sa "A" series ng Shimano (Altus, Acera, Alivio)

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Alivio ang pinakamaganda sa "A" series ng Shimano (Altus, Acera, Alivio)
Tumpak mga sirs.. So if your asking if mag papalit na kayo.. I would say "NO" i-enjoy nyo muna ang built bike nyo, den pag merun ng kailangang palitan that's the time to buy a replacement.. Safe Ride lang, wear always safety gears..

@ Nuville, Willowdan, Chwoiy, Congrats sa Merida Matts 20 nyo.. enjoy riding with it..

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acera is the best and cheapest entry level 8speed of shimano. ingat sa mga japeyk na pyesa. weight lang siguro difference ng acera sa alivio.

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re: Alivio

I had the alivio series rd, cranks, cogs and chain paired with a non-series shimano shifters for more than a year before I upgraded. I use it on daily commutes and numerous climbs at the wall-timberland-roxas-giant routes. No problems experienced e.g., miss shifts and derailments. The only thing I noticed was the RD's roller cage bounces too much especially during rough speedy descents- you could imagine how the chain wobbles. As for the weight, kaya naman ipadyak at i-ahon kaya ok lang.

I'm keeping my alivio components for my commuter bike project.

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actually, i don't see a problem with acera as long as it's well tuned. with regards to how long it will last, depende sa gamit yan.

i've been recommending alivio as a minimum all these time only because of my experience with their longevity with regards to my rd and cranks. however, i found out later on na acera or even lower (sis ba yun?) yung fd ko and it hasn't had a problem in over 3 years i've had it despite my abuse - almost zero maintenance with 4 days per week commutes and once a week rides. am sure the first owner was the same, an american who just rides - buys and uses w/out so much as adjusting even the seatpost. most likely, he subscribes to the same "if it ain't broke, dont fix it" philosophy.

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eto lang sa tingin ko about bike companies:

ginagamitan lang tayo ng marketing strategy para bumili ng mas mahal na product, example is the acera and alivio components.. same performance lang talaga but difference in price.. mas may bling factor pa nga ung acera RD kesa alivio RD.. then me nabasa pa akong ang acera eh bulok sa mga review sites pero gamit ko acera naman at wala akong masabi sa performance basta tama ung tune.. di ko pa nasubukan ung deore compo kung may difference din ba with acera /alivio sa performance.. sa tingin ko talaga kaya mas mahal eh sa "bling factor",weight and durability ang pagkakaiba nila... kaya tandaan lang natin na magupgrade lang pag may nasirang pyesa..

ride safe! (3months na akong nagtrail biking at wala parin akong helmet.. ehehe.. ill try to buy this holyweek para mkjoin ako sa mga group rides)

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Old 03-28-2010, 08:48 PM
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sir, yung tourney, altus, acera is not shown anymore sa website ng shimano

only alivio yung andun sa lowermost pagdating sa MTB groupsets,

i think if you view the china/taiwan nila na site, there makikita p n included dun sa hierarchy ang
1. tourney
2. altus
3. acera
4. alivio
5. deore
and so on...

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can anyone tell the difference in shifting performance, durability and price?

i think the RD of acera is just a few hundred pesos difference with the alivio

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