How Do You Run?

[Doboltap]

How do yuo guys run? What terchnique?
Heel striker? midfoot? forefoot?
Pose techinique? Chi Runner?

I started as a heel striker
Injured my itb , went to midfoot strikes and ended up w/ runner's knee
Ngayon , using Pose ( forefoot ) and injury free so far
I can now even sprint again , something I thought hindi na kaya ulit
So how do you run?

[sdgryan]

Heel striker, co'z im a slow runner.

[arci]

i dunno how i run, pero yung running shoes ko palaging ang unang nauupod ay yung outer portion ng heel at middle forefoot area.

anong klaseng runner ba yun? BTW ang ave. speed ko sa running is mga 7-8kph

[marcs]

heel strike is actuall not recommended coz it puts a lot of stress on your legs especially the knees. in addition, it actually wastes some energy because there is a 'braking' effect. unfortunately, this is the most common sense form to use i guess.

most would recommend mid foot or forefoot strike. i read somewhere that your foot should not move too much beyond your center of gravity. kaya short quick steps is the best. and the feeling would be as if you're just moving your feet up and down, instead of swining it in a long arc with wide strides.

also try to minimize 'bobbing', as this supposedly also wastes energy (e.g. it's like climbing). best to focus your effort in pushing yourself forward than up and down

[Doboltap]

The best way to learn to run daw is to run barefoot sa grass or beach
From a heel striker , magiging forefoot striker ka
I'm not a fast runner either
Di mawalan ng injuries dati , w/c is why I'm obsessed w/ technique
The way we run , is the way taight us by running shoe manufactirers
Tim Don and Hunter Kemper are using pose running as well

Pose
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8EPxga-gMoY

[theprophet]

according to the late jim fixx, author of the "complete book of running" series, it should feel as natural as possible. the most comfortable running style is the one that feels the most natural to the individual. mostly this would be a heel strike (usually the outer portion) rolling towards the two front balls of the foot (inner portion) behind the toes for the kick. he suggests watching kids run to get a better idea as this is this is running at its purest, without any thought.

if you wear out the insides of your running shoes' heels first, you are a pronator - meaning the roll inside and forward is excessive. the reverse is called a supinator. both are more knee damaging in the long run and specific running shoes or inserts to lessen these problems are recommended.

the arms aren't there for a ride. they add balance to the run and pumping or swinging them harder towards your imaginary finish line can deliver some boost to your efforts.

[Doboltap]

Originally Posted by theprophet

according to the late jim fixx, author of the "complete book of running" series, it should feel as natural as possible. the most comfortable running style is the one that feels the most natural to the individual. mostly this would be a heel strike (usually the outer portion) rolling towards the two front balls of the foot (inner portion) behind the toes for the kick. he suggests watching kids run to get a better idea as this is this is running at its purest, without any thought.

if you wear out the insides of your running shoes' heels first, you are a pronator - meaning the roll inside and forward is excessive. the reverse is called a supinator. both are more knee damaging in the long run and specific running shoes or inserts to lessen these problems are recommended.

the arms aren't there for a ride. they add balance to the run and pumping or swinging them harder towards your imaginary finish line can deliver some boost to your efforts.

Hi,
I've worn motion control shoes w/ orthotics using the heel striking natural running style
Injury wala katapusan nagyari

[retzel]

I honestly don't know. Basta tumatama yung paa sa lupa. LOL!!!

[kaverong]

Sir Arci,

What you just mentioned is not a running style but rather your pronation. in your case you're under pronated. At least if you know your pronation, you already know have an idea of what footwear you'll buy.

Originally Posted by arci

i dunno how i run, pero yung running shoes ko palaging ang unang nauupod ay yung outer portion ng heel at middle forefoot area.

anong klaseng runner ba yun? BTW ang ave. speed ko sa running is mga 7-8kph

[kaverong]

Running style kanyo?

I agree with what theprophet has quote, it should feel as comfortable and as natural as possible. Style is individual, of course there are wrong styles of running. The wrong style is the one that is not natural to you.

I also agree with marc when he said you should concentrate on pushing forward.

Now about foot strike: heel, mid, fore, and stomping.

Foot strikes depends largely on ones anatomy and running speed. Even if you are a natural heel striker, if you are running speed you have a tendency to strike your forefoot first. My point is, whatever footstriker you are, loong strides, fore foot landing is the fastest way to do running. Has anybody ran hear long distance on forefoot with short steps? I don't think so... you'll kill your toes. My 2nd point, fore foot landing is used on sprints and not long distance, because its not a natural foot landing, but fast.

Long distance running:

As far as I know there are only two. Heel Strikers & Stompers. Just find out which one you belong.

Note:
I never heard of mid strike, maybe its the same with Stompers.

[Doboltap]

Originally Posted by kaverong

Running style kanyo?

I agree with what theprophet has quote, it should feel as comfortable and as natural as possible. Style is individual, of course there are wrong styles of running. The wrong style is the one that is not natural to you.

I also agree with marc when he said you should concentrate on pushing forward.

Now about foot strike: heel, mid, fore, and stomping.

Foot strikes depends largely on ones anatomy and running speed. Even if you are a natural heel striker, if you are running speed you have a tendency to strike your forefoot first. My point is, whatever footstriker you are, loong strides, fore foot landing is the fastest way to do running. Has anybody ran hear long distance on forefoot with short steps? I don't think so... you'll kill your toes. My 2nd point, fore foot landing is used on sprints and not long distance, because its not a natural foot landing, but fast.

Long distance running:

As far as I know there are only two. Heel Strikers & Stompers. Just find out which one you belong.

Note:
I never heard of mid strike, maybe its the same with Stompers.

There might be some barefoot kenyans and ancient greek long distance runners who might disagree w/ you on that one
Di ba masakit tumakbo ng barefoot kung heelstriker ka?

You dont land on your toes , during forefoot striking
My toes are fine
I'm not a good runner , I always get injured but sa forefoot striking lang ako able to run w/out blowing my knee

[Alphabolt]

nice topic and posts
I aim to learn pero...all I know is I dont want to run like this:

Poop runner at a Marathon

heheh yuck yuck

[Doboltap]

I dont believe in it because I read it inthe internet
I've been trying it out for several months already
For the first time ,my knees didnt need any ice running 15k carrying my 190lb butt
Finally , an ironman is a possibility


http://www.posetech.com/library/pp-RW-0003.html

POSE IN PRESS A collection of articles about Pose Method and Dr.Romanov in various publications.


RUNNER'S WORLD (UK)
September, 2008
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Run Different

Name: Lee Saxby
Expertise: Biomechanics
Approach: The Pose Method

Biomechanics expert Lee Saxby was a fairly conventional running coach until he met Dr. Nicholas Romanov; then his whole outlook on running changed. Romanov, an Olympic triathlon coach, introduced Saxby to the Pose Method, a new running style favored by 2006 World Triathlon Champion Tim Don. "Romanov blew my biomechanics education right out of the water,' says Saxby. "I realized we'd all been running in the wrong way all this time. It wouldn't surprise me if all the top runners are using the Pose Method 10 years down the line."

BECOME A POSE-R
What is the Pose Method? According to Saxby, it's all about utilizing gravity. "When we run we're continually about to topple over," he says. "Our natural reaction is to place our foot forward to break the fall. Then we push off again and repeat the process. This is conventional running acceleration followed by immediate deceleration." The Pose Method claims to eliminate the deceleration. Instead of trying to break the fall, the idea is to be continually on the edge of toppling, so that gravity becomes your friend. This is achieved through shorter, staccato strides with a very light forefoot landing which underneath the hip, rather than in front of it. "Pose is commonly associated with landing on the ball of the foot rather than the heel," says Saxby. "But it's really about keeping a steep angle from the ankle and not bending at the hip. That's the difficult bit, as we naturally want to bend at the hip for fear of falling."

RUN BAREFOOT
The best way to understand the Pose Method is to run barefoot. "The thick soles of running shoes mean we can't feel when we're landing properly. Take your trainers off and see if you still want to land heavily on your heel," says Saxby. This, he argues, is the main cause of injuries – and that adopting the Pose Method should eliminate most of them. "The fact that 85 per cent of people give up running because of injury is unacceptable – it makes it clear we're doing something wrong," he says.

BE PATIENT
Through eliminating injury may be the chief benefit of the Pose Method, Saxby is also convinced it can bring about performance improvements. "Switching to the Pose Method is essentially about adopting a pulling action rather than a pushing one – which requires different muscles," he says. "We generally find there's a three-month learning curve when the heart rate may be elevated and performance may suffer very slightly as the body becomes used to it. But after that, you should fly." Need more convincing? Saxby reckons the two most perfect natural Pose runners are running legends Michael Johnson and Haile Gerbreselassie. Lee Saxby is a level four Pose Coach, the most advanced in the UK. See www.posetech.com

[kulot_salot]

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[kaverong]

@Alphabolt

LOL

Hahaha... you really have a good sense of humor. But the thing is, it was so evident that racer 26 do really have a heart.

This has also happened to greg lemond, in one of his stage win to Paris-Roubaix. Poof was oozing out of his pants, but he didn't stop til he reached the finish line. Where he was hosed down.

Gross yes, but definitely a pro.

[kaverong]

@doboltap

Thank God there are no Kenyans nor Greeks here. Of course, elites are always are exception to the rule. They run long distance as if they were sprinting.

Pose seems to be a good technique. Masubukan nga, who knows, baka maabot ko na ang 3 and a half hour marathon. hehehe

I've seen good runners run this way for sometime already, but elites, I've never seen them run this way. If this is really revolutionary, we should start seeing them run this way.

"The established opinion was that there's no running technique that suits everyone, and there are different requirements for different distances and speed, for runners of different ages and different physical abilities."

Right now, I'm still in this school of thought, & I see pose as a product.

[kaverong]

Re: foot strikes.

Sometimes we read too much foreign material that we end up choking trying to digest their brilliant solutions.

e.g. mid-strike. I didn't know there is such a thing. Technically its not possible. Why? because its far easier to land your entire foot rather than just the middle. Just when american's thought they can fool us the "fries" are invented by french. hehehe

What is my style of running?
I'm not limited to a single style. Why, there is a thing called "napapagod" & "nangangawit."

When I run long distance I alternate fore-foot & "mid" & body position varies from leaning forward to vertical, depending on speed. I run mostly on fore-foot on my racing flat, while on my trainers mostly on mid.

While fast runners run on their fore-foot, this is so because its efficient (for them) that is because they are lean. But for the heavy weights... if they'll run on this way they'll easily tire their calves. That is why they have a tendency to run/walk on heels.

While we delve too much on foot strike... we are neglecting the one most important thing. Its not how land your foot per se will keep you injury free, its actually how you lift them. Lift them as low as possible from the ground & surely you'll have a softer impact as you land.

[Doboltap]

Originally Posted by kaverong

@doboltap

Thank God there are no Kenyans nor Greeks here. Of course, elites are always are exception to the rule. They run long distance as if they were sprinting.

Pose seems to be a good technique. Masubukan nga, who knows, baka maabot ko na ang 3 and a half hour marathon. hehehe

I've seen good runners run this way for sometime already, but elites, I've never seen them run this way. If this is really revolutionary, we should start seeing them run this way.

"The established opinion was that there's no running technique that suits everyone, and there are different requirements for different distances and speed, for runners of different ages and different physical abilities."

Right now, I'm still in this school of thought, & I see pose as a product.

I think kaming wanna be runners ang concerned about techique
I've never had an injury playing baskerball nung college , but when I took up running ,di na nawala injuries until pose hehe unfortunately , running is so addicting
Pose is a product but a darn good one , kasi I'd given up on running and even triathlons early this year. Ngayon , I'm doing 1 hour runs w/out anything hurting ( well so far )
I guess some people not only have a natural way of running , but are natural runners as well . You guys probably fall into that category
I envy you guys

[kaverong]

If you really are serious about running, I suggest you get a coach. At first I am in the notion that its not a necessity. Well, because I have reasons to think that way. I have log zero to 1,030 km in my first year of running, I am in a good form, & masipag ako magtrain (I train hard), I am injury free despite the jump start. But its different when there is someone (an expert in their field) is observing you. They can correct your posture, your form, your technique that at first you thought you were doing right. The funny thing pa, when its caught on video, the form looks awkward pala. hehehe
And just when I thought they were just doing it to make a living. Hindi pala!

If gusto mo makatipid, just do it for a month or two, just enough for you to get the technique right & practice it on you own. Or makipagbonding ka with good runners & they'll teach you for free.

[Doboltap]

Originally Posted by kaverong

If you really are serious about running, I suggest you get a coach. At first I am in the notion that its not a necessity. Well, because I have reasons to think that way. I have log zero to 1,030 km in my first year of running, I am in a good form, & masipag ako magtrain (I train hard), I am injury free despite the jump start. But its different when there is someone (an expert in their field) is observing you. They can correct your posture, your form, your technique that at first you thought you were doing right. The funny thing pa, when its caught on video, the form looks awkward pala. hehehe
And just when I thought they were just doing it to make a living. Hindi pala!

If gusto mo makatipid, just do it for a month or two, just enough for you to get the technique right & practice it on you own. Or makipagbonding ka with good runners & they'll teach you for free.

Well , our tri club has several marathoners , ironmen and the former national team duathlon coach ,and a Milo champ's ( Ballester )training route is 1km away from my house so I've "bonded" w/ several good runners
Unfortunately , I always get advice on how to avoid injuries from peoiple who have never been injured

If I do get a pro coach , then he would be biasd towards his own technique
Pano magiging natural takbo ko?
What the difference between getting a coach and following pose?
I found the result I want w/c is to stay injury free
BTW, I'm 6'2 and 190lbs and no , my calves dont bother me , my toes arent killing me