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Old 04-13-2013, 10:56 PM
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oo El hindi ka nagkakamali at nag post ka na, check mo sa page 7 hehehe


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post po ito sa TSP.
WARNING PO PARA SA LAHAT NG MAY GUINNESS.

"Mga sir sino sa TSP ang may Guinness Folding Bike? Heads up lang mga sir, may kapadyak na naputulan ng handle bar ng Guinness habang pumapadyak sya sa Abad Santos kanina umaga. Tama sir, HABANG PUMAPADYAK. Warning lang ho. Result...semplang. Buti na lang at walang nasaktan at walang kasunod na sasakyan."

"Humahataw sya pahabol sa grupo, bigla na lang naputol ang handle bar."

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post po ito sa TSP.
WARNING PO PARA SA LAHAT NG MAY GUINNESS.

"Mga sir sino sa TSP ang may Guinness Folding Bike? Heads up lang mga sir, may kapadyak na naputulan ng handle bar ng Guinness habang pumapadyak sya sa Abad Santos kanina umaga. Tama sir, HABANG PUMAPADYAK. Warning lang ho. Result...semplang. Buti na lang at walang nasaktan at walang kasunod na sasakyan."

"Humahataw sya pahabol sa grupo, bigla na lang naputol ang handle bar."
Nakita ko din nga sa UFB page ang mga pictures nito pati crankset bingkong nasemplang ata yung rider after maputol yung handlebar... eto na ang risk ng sobrang mura na folding bike

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Delikado yan.. Nakita ko rin yung picture talagang putol yung handle bar.

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Hindi naman yung kamurahan ng bike ang problema. Yung Storm, Hubu, ok naman. Parehong price bracket itong tatlong bike na ito. Yung LVDAO/Velocity, ok din. Naisabak na yung Storm at Hubu sa malayo, matatarik na akyatan, mabilis sulungan, matagalan pedalan, sa init, sa lamig, sa ulan, etc. Wala namang naging problema. Ang pinakamatindi na nangyari sa isa sa amin na may Storm ay flat tire na pumutok yung interior at exterior. At nakatigil yung bike. Yung Kenda Kwest ang palpak at mahina ang gilid niya. Pero yung frame, fork, seatpost, handlebar, stem, etc. walang problema.

Yung Storm ang pinakabugbog, tapos yung Hubu. Nag Sierra Madre na ito, Antipolo, Tagaytay, Wawa, etc. Kagabi lamang yung Storm, humahatay ng 25-30kph for 30min or so sa MacArthur highway kasabay ang mga mamahaling bike (all stock yung Storm). Nag 100+km siya noong gabing iyon.


Pero sa lahat ng lakad ng TSP, wala kaming kasabay na may Guinness. Mabuti na rin siguro. Sa layo at hirap ng mga akyat at bilis ng takbo, tiyak na malaking aksidente ang naghihintay sa may ari nito!

Bulag lang at in-denial ang hindi nakakita o nakapapansin na manipis ang frame Guinness, lumuluwag at mahina ang locks nito. Sa madaling salita, ang Guinness is an accident waiting to happen. Walang solusyon dito sa Guinness dahil structural ang problema. Palit frame ka, stem-post, with all the locks need to be different. Kung mababali ang handlebar, kung ako may ari ng Guinness, matatakot na rin ako sa seat post ko! Pagnabali ito, imagine ninyo ang maaring manyari! Litson na may kawayang nakatuhog ay hindi malayong pangitain! At isipin po natin kung ano ang maaring mangyari kung mabilis na bumababa sa isang bundok ang bike na ito at 40kph+ at mabali ang frame o di kaya, makalas ang stem-post! Yaaaiiiks!

Di naman tulad ng Storm ito na palit preno ka, o Hubu na palit BB ka kung di maganda. Alam mo kaagad kung mahina ito, tulad ko dahil pansin mo kaagad ito. At Kailan ka ba nakarinig na nabalian ng handlebar? In this day and age of advance metallurgy and aluminum alloy manufacturing, mababalian ka pa ng handlebar? Di naman paahon, Di naman MTB ito o downhill na umaaldag ang bike dahils sa bato o lubak! Naghahabol lang yung tao sa isang patag na kalye! Sa madaling salita, palpak at substandard ang materiales ng ginamit sa Guinness!

Hindi ako nagulat sa aksidenteng ito. Ang hindi ko inaasahan ay mangyari ito sa isang simpleng at madaling paggamit ng bike. Siguro kung isinabak sa trail ito at nabali, matatanggap ko pa. Pero para mabali ang handlebar sa isang pang-araw-araw na simpleng paggamit ay hindi katangap-tangap. At sana hindi na maulit ito sa hinaharap. Pero, hindi rin ako magtataka kung mayroon pang susunod na aksidente dito. Delikado talaga itong Guinness at isang perwisyo na bike. Sana huwag na magpasok at magbenta ang mga vendor nito. At kung magbebenta uli sila nito, sana may ulo naman ang marami sa atin na huwag ng bumili nito.

Dagdag ko na rin, na para sigurado at hindi maging kampante, yung may Hubu, LVDAO, Velocity, and Storm, mag-inspect na rin ng bike nila for possible problems. Iba na ang sigurado.

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Even expensive folding bikes like dahon can split into half (Frame broke) here are 3 incident of dahon boardwalk frame split into half.

1) http://treadly.net/2011/05/16/dahon-...ust-in-pieces/

2) http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...rdwalk-6-speed

3) http://www.tomw.net.au/2005/bbb.html

In my humble opinion Maybe meron talaga lemon sa bawat batch sa guinness man or dahon or any other brand etc... malas lang talaga kung kanino man mapunta ang lemon. pero maganda sa branded bike meron sila warranty pero ang china bikes like guinness, lvado and hubu no warranty. This is just an opinion.

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Even expensive folding bikes like dahon can split into half (Frame broke) here are 3 incident of dahon boardwalk frame split into half.

1) http://treadly.net/2011/05/16/dahon-...ust-in-pieces/

2) http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...rdwalk-6-speed

3) http://www.tomw.net.au/2005/bbb.html

In my humble opinion Maybe meron talaga lemon sa bawat batch sa guinness man or dahon or any other brand etc... malas lang talaga kung kanino man mapunta ang lemon. pero maganda sa branded bike meron sila warranty pero ang china bikes like guinness, lvado and hubu no warranty. This is just an opinion.

Typical of your style, Jepot, you again conveniently ignored or left out many things to suit your purpose.

1. The Boardwalk is made of steel and the broken parts was rusted. The broken Guinness handlebar was/is aluminum. It still broke. And considering it's not even the one heavily loaded with stress, shows you how flimsy the bike is.


2. You CONVENIENTLY OR PURPOSELY IGNORED and NOT MENTION the usage in one post and I quote:

"I was more than halfway home when this happened, and when I think about where and when that failure could have occurred on that ride alone—descending at speed, in Victoria Pde being tailgated by an impatient white van driver, bumping over bluestone speed humps, rattling along gravel paths—I get the chills. It's a very scary thought."



See the terrain of his locality and how he uses his bike? The rust + this abuse will definitely weaken the bike. That is why I always write not to use FBs in trails or really rough roads, especially with really repeating type of roughness where a vibration like a jackhammer would shake the bike. It wasn't designed for continuous much less heavy vibrations due to trail or road conditions as such.

When we went to Wawa Dam a couple of weeks ago, as we walked the narrow path to the dam, our foldies were literally going up and down, vibrating uncomfortably from the small rocks/stones in the path. You couldn't ride it, and even when we walked it, it was like passing through those wake-up lines on the road (like the pedestrian cross lines but used to wake up drivers), but much worse. This is especially true at the side of the mountain where those roacks are really protruding on the ground. I told the guys to lift and carry the bike to protect it. One guy didn't do this, and later on, after an hour his Storm's kenda tires, blew its tire (literally and explosion!). After fixing it, it blew again! The sidewall was weakened severely likely by the bumps on the trail. Good thing it was just the tire. And the bike was not running. It blew 2x dead stop. The 2nd time was even with an expensive inner tube with no patches to it.

3- Steel is always stronger than aluminun at this point in time. Chromoly steel is an alloy. Any metal mixed with another metal or substance is an alloy, contrary to what many erroneously believe that aluminum is an alloy. In fact all steel is alloy. Always. Aluminum is NOT an alloy. It is an element. Look it up in the periodic table. But it can be an aluminum alloy if mixed with other substances to make it stronger or stable. Chromoly is lighter than steel but as strong and it also will rust. The Boardwalk, as of the latest post in their Dahon web site uses Chromoly (Chromium-Molybdenum) 4031.

4031 is a stable and reliable metal. It is even used in aircrafts/aeroplanes like with aluminum. The problem with the Boardwalk design, and that is why the defect is structural, is that Dahon didn't make that part near the joint/lock double butted. Here is the picture to see it is not double butted:



Why Dahon didn't double butt this is beyond me. Maybe their newer models are already double butted. I doubt that though. It is a cost and weight issue. The Boardwalk is heavy already at 29lbs. So maybe Dahon is thinking that they don't want to go past 29lbs and don't want to make it too costly to make.

4- You conveniently (again?) failed to mention that the point where it broke was rusted!

The guy mentioned a street. I think that he lives in Australia. In Melbourne in particular. Humidity is high (75% RH) i that parts because it is near the bay or sea. We all know that salt air and steel don't go along well. And that probably contributed to the rust and rapid weakening of the joint. Or if it rained, it got into that part and it rusted it. In any case, even without rain, the Melbourne is near the sea and RH is high.

Plus I looked at some pictures of Melbourne street, particularly the Victoria Pde he mentioned. And indeed, it is hilly.



5- In any case, if you look at the Boardwalk,



you'll see that all the vertical forces on the front wheel and back wheel literally puts it all in that hinge area. The design is straight not curved as most modern frames are. Imagine the frame with a straight tube now being bent up and down with road forces. Without that curve it's like a stick that is being bent up and down till it is bound to break. With such a design, no double butting, and use beyond what it was intended for, I am not surprised it would fail.

This is the point where the bike failed:



Isn't that the fulcrum where the forces would inevitably converge if you have two vertical forces flexing it? Double butting it would probably help. Or making that tube curved would lessen the forces.

So, a straight tube design, no butted frame, rust due to the high humidity of Melbourne, plus their rugged streets all likely contributed to the Boardwalk failing.

The question is, what caused the handle bar of the Guinness to fail? And it's just a handlebar. It doesn't take that much stress compared to the frame or even the wheelset! Is the hardcore rider (based on the picture of him) standing on the handlebar? I don't think so. It's just a weak handle bar! A portent of what the true build of the Guinness is!

6- But wait, there's more!

You again CONVENIENTLY FORGOT to mention his post on him locking the hinges:


"As it was a folding bike, I first assumed that the main hinge had sprung open (a fair assumption—a few days earlier I'd ridden several kilometres without closing any of the safety catches!) But no, there was the main tube neatly shorn in two. No bike is supposed to fold that way…"


He has ridden it several kilometers without closing of the safety hatches! Without a stiff lock, or a loose joint, the road forces impacting on the bike could not have been distributed to the tube and the rest of the frame. It is possible now that the tube where it failed received most of the forces as the joint is already loose hence forces could not be further be dissipated with a loose joint/connection.

So, it seems, his own carelessness and lack of following of instructions may have contributed to his bike frame failing. Remember too that the Guinness has very weak locks and locks that tend to lossen very easily. They are also being held by flimsy metal (parang lata nga lang, eh). So that is a cause for future concern.


7- The Guinness handlebar broke under normal usage, under reasonable road conditions as well. Granting that maybe the owner used it in trails at other times, or really rough roads may have contributed to it. What is amazing is the handlebar broke. As I wrote before, in this day and age, it shouldn't break! Especially with that usage. What is now to say that the frame will not break as well? The frame is thin in terms of thickness. The frame is not a broad as other models (to save on metal perhaps), and the locks are flimsy and loosen easily.

What is the purpose of the warranty if the problem is structural? What good would it do if the rider is already dead or with a broken bone? Design weakness is built into the Guinness. As an owner, these things you CONVENIENTLY if not PURPOSELY ignored in your review of the product. This is a safety issue. I think this is very careless of you, not to have mentioned the weaknesses of the Guinness! Your cavalier attitude and your defense of a really weak, if not faulty product, really boggles my mind. It's as if you take personal offense that your Guinness is being attacked.



Seriously now, are people going to be so reckless or dense to ignore these facts? This accident is already a WAKE-UP CALL. Don't point to Dahon to minimize the damage to the image of your bike! This isn't about image or perception. This isn't about you. This is about safety and the facts that is just too plain to see. Now this broken handlebar. It's just the start. Most likely, there will be more parts failing as that bike logs in more miles and the stresses of use take its toll. If the design is weak, the structural construction is weak, it will be revealed. That's what happened to the Boardwalk and that's what happened to the Guinness. The problem with that is that it can cost somebody else's life or at be injured in the process. Is this what you want to happen, Jepot? If not, why do you keep defending your brand as if you are major stockholder of the company or you are the inventor of it?




But of course, you shouldn't worry too much about your Guinness causing you harm personally. After all, you never seem to ride it. You just stare, and look at it from your garage and admire how good looking your bike is.

But what about the others who ride their bikes? Others who bought it believing they got a cheap lightweight bike to rival a P30-40k or even the Tern x10 in weight costing P77k? What about those who bought the Guinness who will use their bike and intend to log in hundreds of miles in a week. And week turns into maybe 500km a month, to 60,000km a year? What are you going to say to them? Are you just going to push a link saying that the Dahon Boardwalk also fails? You find a straw man to hit so that your Guinness will not be in the spotlight? And yet you CONVENIENTLY IGNORED (again) the details of why the Boardwalk failed?!

Jepot, it's not about you. It's about the bike. And it's not about Dahon. It's not about Tern. it's not about SGM. It's about safety. It's about how safe and reliable a Guinness folding bike is. Or any brand of bike if that for that matter. When it comes to that, we have to call a spade a spade. Don't go pointing at other bike makers for faults. After all, they don't sell it here. And even if they do, it's bound to be P20k. A Guiness is just P7.5k. And that is why it has more potential to cause more people damage because more people can afford a P7-8k bike than a P15-20k bike.

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@ caterpillar - RELAX hehehe... Like I said opinion lang toh, no need to react like this. Sa lahat ng Guinness owner mag ingat nalang tayo. Kung anu man yung nangyari sa guinness na naputulan ng handle bar let it be a lesson to us owners and maybe the best thing to do is mag palit ng handle bar and stem para makaiwas sa ganito karumal dumal na situation.

But the million dollar question is how in the world nalaman ni caterpillar eto "After all, you never seem to ride it. You just stare, and look at it from your garage and admire how good looking your bike is." ??? anu toh meron kampon si caterpillar na nag stalk saakin or mismo si caterpillar nag stalk saakin? Do i have to post every ride i do para malaman na madalas ako mag bike? Sorry no time mag post busy ako mag bike eh...hehe, In fact wala ako gaanong time mag post kasi kung hindi ako busy sa work eh nag bike ako. Minsan nga I wonder some people telling na they travel 100km a week eh nakuha pa mag post ng nobela sa forum. But don't take this seriously bano lang ako mag bike...hehe

Again to all Guinness owner let this be a lesson to us. Be extra careful nalang when riding and if possible palitan yung stem and handle bar para maiwasan ang ganito insedente. And let us hope this incident would be the last and wont happen again.

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@ caterpillar - RELAX hehehe... Like I said opinion lang toh, no need to react like this. Sa lahat ng Guinness owner mag ingat nalang tayo. Kung anu man yung nangyari sa guinness na naputulan ng handle bar let it be a lesson to us owners and maybe the best thing to do is mag palit ng handle bar and stem para makaiwas sa ganito karumal dumal na situation.
Alin ang opinion? Yung naaksidente? Opinion lang ba ang nabaleng handlebar? Opinion lang ba na lumuluwag ang mga locks ng Guinness? Opinion lang ba na manipis ang frame nito? Ang opinion pag sinabi kong maganda o pangit ang Guinness. Yan, opinion iyan! Pero pag sinabi kong lumuwag ang locks niya, manipis ang frame lalo kung ikukumpara mo sa ibang brand, hindi opinion ito! Kahit sino mapapatunayan ito.

So, advice mo ba ngayon na pati frame and stem-post palitan na rin? Pati ba seatpost papalitan na rin?

Tandaan mo, ang FB ay FB dahil sa 4 main parts

1- Frame with the lock
2- folding stem-post
3- Fork
4- seat post

Pag pinalitan na natin ang frame at stem-post 70-80% hindi na ito yung original mong Guinness. In fact, hindi na ito Guinness! Ibang bike na iyan. Kaya lang, sa panahon na ito, wala pang frame lang na nabibili para sa FB. Sana nga meroon para matanggal na itong Guinness na ito sa Merkado. Ang problema walang frame lang na binebenta.

Mabuti na rin siguro ito, para mawala na ang isang delikadong frame-stem/post ng bike na ito. Tandaan din natin na ang nabali ay hindi lang handlebar. Kung tutuusin kasama siya ng stem-post!!! Di ba nakawelding ito sa handlebar at iisang parte lang? O, di ba sabi ko mahina ang stem post? Ang akala ko lang yung lock lang ang mahina. Pati pala handlebar palpak din!



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But the million dollar question is how in the world nalaman ni caterpillar eto "After all, you never seem to ride it. You just stare, and look at it from your garage and admire how good looking your bike is." ??? anu toh meron kampon si caterpillar na nag stalk saakin or mismo si caterpillar nag stalk saakin? Do i have to post every ride i do para malaman na madalas ako mag bike? Sorry no time mag post busy ako mag bike eh...hehe, In fact wala ako gaanong time mag post kasi kung hindi ako busy sa work eh nag bike ako. Minsan nga I wonder some people telling na they travel 100km a week eh nakuha pa mag post ng nobela sa forum. But don't take this seriously bano lang ako mag bike...hehe
Million dollar question? Nagpalobo ka naman ng importansiya sa sarili mo! Nag-mimisdirection ka naman!

Jepot, itigil mo iyang kahibangan mo. Mahilig ka magtago ng kapalpakan ng bike. May agenda ka. Wala raw time to post, eh tagal natulog ang thread nang Guinness, tapos noong may aksidente, bigla kang sumulpot at nag post. Tinira mo pa ang Dahon na hindi naman Dahon ang bike na nasiraan. Guinness ang nasiraan. Tapos kinalimutan mo yung contexto noong sarili mong post. Lumalabas pala na pabaya rin yung gumagamit kaya nabali. Tsk, tsk, tsk!

Heto ka naman, gumagawa ng mis-direction at nagtatayo ng straw man para pukulin para hindi mabaling sa Guinness ang issue. Gusto mo pa palabasin na stalker ako. Lubayan mo nga kami sa style mong iyan! Gasgas na iyan!

Lagi ako punto-por-punto sumagot at nag-rerebutt sa iyo. Ikaw naman binabaling mo sa iba ang issue. Pero, pag may pumupuna o bumabatikos sa brand ng bike mo, lumutang ka! Stockhoder ka ba ng Guinness o designer nito? Why do you react so urgently about your bike when somebody criticizes it? Parang asawa mo na yung nilalait.

At bakit naman kita ii-stalk? Sino ka ba? Your post is so full of drivel and misdirections, why should I follow you? Weno kung nagbibike ka o hindi? Noong hindi mo pa nga madalas gamitin ang bike mo, hindi mo naman binanggit yung mga safety issues na ito. Talagang itinago mo. So, paano mo pa kami papaniwalain sa mga post mo? Ang tanong pa rin heto:

- madali bang lumuwag ang locks ng Guinness?
- Flimsy ba ang materiales ang pagkakagawa ng locks?
- Makapal ba ang frame ng Guinness?
- Malapad ba o kasinglapad ba ito kumparasa sa mga ibang bike?
- Malaki ba, makapal, at matibay ang seat post nito?
- Nareremdeyohan ba ang sabit na kadena sa frame kung pinakamaliit na cog ang gagamitin?

Hayan ang mga issues na HINDI mo diretsong sinasagot sa review mo. Basta ako alam ko na ang sagot sa halos lahat diyan. Kahit yung 3 lang diyan, para sa akin delikado na.


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Again to all Guinness owner let this be a lesson to us. Be extra careful nalang when riding and if possible palitan yung stem and handle bar para maiwasan ang ganito insedente. And let us hope this incident would be the last and wont happen again.
Sana nga. Hanggang dito na lang. But I remind you, as one of the first owners of this bike, you should have discussed the issues of this bike. You simply ignored them and mentioned the great things about them to the exclusions of major, major issues that can affect the lives of people. Kaya sa akin bagsak ang kredibilidad mo. The loose locks and thin frame and other things you can know them in just a day to no more than a week after you got the bike. It's not that you have to ride 100-300km for them to appear. Sa tindahan pa lang sa 30 min kong inspection, buking na yung kahinaan ng stem-post, locks, frame, etc. Hindi mo binanggit ito sa review mo.

So, ngayon nagmulto na. Hindi mo pa rin inaamin ang kahinaan na binanggit ko noon noon pa. Ngayon may naaksidente. Tapos mag-popost ka para siraan ang ibang bike imbes na punahin yung bike brand mo. Tsk, tsk tsk. Kiling ka talaga. Wala kaming maasahang un-biased review sa iyo!

Uulitin ko uli - yung nabaling handlebar, part ng stem-post. Iisa lang sila. Sa T-fold siya naputol. At yung vertical post na telescopic noon nakaweld ang handlebar. Di mo nga puwedeng palitan ang handlebar dahil nakaweld ito sa stem-post, liban na lang kung lalagariin mo ito at bibili ka ng stem at handlebar.

Ang mangyayari nito, palit ka ng boong stem-post (P2,200 sa Tryon) at handlebar (P500) o lagariin mo na lang yung natira, bili ka ng stem at handlebar. Siguro P800-P1,000 din gagastusin mo. Kaso yung mas murang solusyon, nandiyan pa rin yung manipis na post sa stem-post at mahinang locks mo. So, magdadasal ka na lang o aasa na sana huwag din bumigay ito in the future! Langyang buhay ito! Nagsusugal ka pala sa bike na ito, ah!

At hindi pa tapos ito. Dahil mahina rin yung frame at locks nito, dasal ka na rin na hindi rin bumigay ito in the future! Langya. Parang bumili ka pala na P7,500 na bike, gastos ka pa ng P7k o higit pa, di ka pa rin safe! Kaso, di tulad ng Storm o ibang bike na maganda at matibay ang frame at locks mukhang lalaki ng todo ang gastos mo. Mas mainam pa siguro bumili ka na lang A-One o MK Velocity. Mas tiyak na safe ka pa.


At huwag mong ibaling sa ibang Guinness owners ang lesson. Ang pag-iingat laging ginagawa iyan. That goes without saying. Kaya nga ako nag-P-PM (Preventive Maintenance) sa mga bikes ko. Diyan ko panipakita ang pag-iingat sa bike. Ano man brand iyan o modelo, pag regular ang PM, tiyak pinapahalagahan mo bike mo. Pero, kung ang bike ay structurally unsound, walang PM na puwede diyan. Kung ang bahay ninyo mahina ang haligi walang repair na uubra diyan. Kung meroon man, ubod ng mahal. Pag may structural defect para piniPM mo ang building na mahina ang foundation. Wala kang magagawa para maiwasto ito. Sayang lang ang PM mo. Ang minemaintain mo ang palpak na design at struktura. Minsan mainam pa palitan mo na yaong buong bike! Iyan ang solusyon!

Ang lesson MO, Jepot ay ito - pag nagreview ka ng gamit mo, sabihin mo lahat ng alam mo, kahit masakit sa iyo dahil marahil nagoyo ka sa pagbili mo, lalo na kung ang issue ay SAFETY. Magsalita ka. Huwag mo isapawalang bahala. Magalit na sila kung magagalit. Sa kaso kasi ng Guinness talaga namang lantaran ang kahinaan nito. Ang mali mo, itinago mo ito. Noong may lumabas unti-unti ang mga issues, saka ka lang kumanta. Bakit ganoon? Alam mo na pala bakit di mo binanggit? Hayan ang isang tanong na dapat mong sagutin. Eh, dahil medyo alam na namin ang style mo, hindi mo rin ito diretsong sasagutin. Sige pass ka na lang.


Lumalabas kasi, habang gamit mo yung frame ng Guinness, di mo alam kung kailan ito bibigay! Kung nagbibike ka nga, Jepot, di ka ba nababagabag dito? Di ka ba kinakabahan na baka isang araw, bigla na lang maghiwalay ang bike mo at sumobsob ang mukha mo sa kalye?

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okey sir caterpillar copy . Sir caterpillar peace tayo ah baka nagagalit ka na nyan? idol pa naman kita kasi ang dami mo alam sa folding bike. wag na tayo mag arguee dito nakakakahiya sa thread starter. peace

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okey sir caterpillar copy . Sir caterpillar peace tayo ah baka nagagalit ka na nyan? idol pa naman kita kasi ang dami mo alam sa folding bike. wag na tayo mag arguee dito nakakakahiya sa thread starter. peace
Hindi naman tayo magkagalit, ah. Pero dapat tayong magalit kung ang produktong binili natin palpak! Bakit, kailan ka ba magagalit? Pag sumemplang ka na dahil nabali na rin handle bar mo? Hindi ako galit sa iyo. Galit ako sa attitude mo at tilang walang pakialam sa kapakanan ng iba. Galit ako sa bulok mong style at pagtatago ng katotohanan. Bakit, ano ba dapat ang mong gawin? Tumawa? Matuwa? Magbunyi dahil sa nangyari sa isang may-ari ng Guinness bike? O, baka naman gusto mo deadma lang?

Ang pinanggagaliitan ko ay yaong pagtatago mo sa issue ng bike mo. Nakapagpipinting din kung nagbabaling ka pa ng issue at ipinasa mo pa sa ibang bike. Mantakin mong idamay mo pa ang Dahon Boardwalk? Di naman ito yung bike na may problema. At isa pa, makakakita ka na nang lumang Dahon na sinauna pa, pero halos zero ka makakita ng Dahon Boardwalk dito sa Pinas. Doon lang hindi na tama ang punto mo. Bakit hindi mo binanggit yung issues ng bike mo at tutukan ito?

Jepot, ang argument ay punto-por-pontong issue. Hindi masama mag-argue basta rational ang pangangatuwiran. Ginagawa natin ito araw-araw. Sa eskuwela, sa opisina, sa bahay. Nangangatuwiran tayo. May position tayong inilalantad at pinagtatanggol o pinaglalaban. Normal lang iyan. Basta -> Walang name-calling. Walang personalan. Ang mali ng marami ayaw daw nila ng debate o diskusyon o conflict. Eh, mamili ka lang ng preno o parts nang bike katakot-takot na argumento at diskusyon na! Bakit ba natin ito dapat takbuhan? Araw-araw nagtatalo tayo kung hindi sa boss natin, sa nobya natin, sa kaibigan natin, pati na rin as ating sarili. So, tanggalin natin itong maling pag-iisip na masama makipagtalo. Puwedeng tumutol, sumalungat, hindi sumang-ayon, basta strait lang ang argumento. Rational at tuwid lang tayo maglahad ng puntos natin. Ok iyan! Walang side-tracking o magpapasok ng ibang issue na wala namang kinalaman sa pinag-uusapan, tulad ng style mo.

Ikaw lang naman ang HINDI sumasagot sa punto at tanong ko. Para kang pulitiko kung sumagot. May sinusulat ka, wala ka namang sinasagot na diretso. Hanggang ngayon, HINDI mo inaamin na flimsy at manipis ang lang locks at frame ng Guinness kumpara sa ibang bikes.

Hindi mo ba naiisip, na may mga tao na nagbabasa dito sa mga fora na ito na maaaring tanggapin ang hilaw mong review o paniniwala? Paano kung masaktan sila sa kakulangan mo? Ganoon na lang ba - Peace tayo?! Anong pride or honor ba ang pinuprotektahan mo sa sarili mo na handa mong madisgrasya ang ibang tao?

Yung Storm ko, noong nalaman ko mahinan preno, binanggit ko. Binalaan ko ang mga tao na baka dapat palitan nila ang preno nila. Obligasyon ko ito. Hindi ko maatim na may madisgrasya sa isang kaalaman na inilihim ko dahil nahihiya akong magmukhang mahina yung nabili ko. Last week, may pinagsabihan ako sa grupo namin na madalas ma-flat na gulong. Yun pala, warak na yung gulong niya, kahit mukhang presko pa yung threads. Literal na pinagalitan ko! Bakit kamo? Kasi madidisgrasya siya! Magalit na siya kung magalit! Ganoon din ako sa iyo ngayon! Magalit ka o ma-buwisit ka na ngayon sa akin. Pero pagnabiyak iyang bike mo, at least malinis ang konsiyensiya ko na pinagsabihan kita. Hindi ako nagkulang sa pagpapa-ala-ala. Bakit ayaw mong gawin ito? Bakit parang wala kang malasakit sa kapwa mo? Anong ego o pride ba ang pinoprotektahan mo na mas mahalaga pa sa buhay ng ibang tao o sarili mo?

Noong Biyernes, nakita ko yung gulong noong pinagsabihan ko. Bumili na siya na medyo mumurahin pero bago. Ngayon, hindi na siya na-fla-flat madalas. Noon dati, di pa kami umaalis flat na. Di pa kami nag 2 kilometro flat na naman uli! Sabi ko sa kanya, suwerte ka at na-flat ka na nakahinto. At na-flat ka na hindi pa nakalalayo. Di ba senyales na iyan na magpalit ka na ng gulong. Paano kung pababa at mabilis tayo at biglang pumutok ang gulong mo, ang tanong ko sa kanya. P150 lang ang Leo na gulong. Magkano ba ang maospital o mabalian ng buto o mabaldado ng ilang buwan? Dahil lang sa ayaw niyang palitan ang gulong niya? Ang alam ko pumadyak siya ng mahigit 100km noong buong araw na iyon na walang problema. Can you imagine that? No problems just for an el-cheapo tires compared to his old tire which was busted at the seams already?

Ang nangyari sa Guinness na ito, tingin ko ay isolated incident. First time ito. Pero hindi na ako magugulat na makarinig ng marami pang ganito ang mangyayari sa madaling panahon. Sana mali ako dito. Pero talagang mahirap mag-isip ng iba. Alam mo ito, Jepot. You own the bike. Alam mo ang tutoong score ng bike na ito.

Heto na ang huling punto ko dito. Kung mali ako, ok, no harm, no foul. Mali ako, walang masasaktan. Pagtawanan ninyo lang ako. Tawagin ninyo paranoid at over acting. Pero kung tama ang call ko, tulungan na tayo ng Panginoon at sana walang masaktan o mamatay! Mantakin mo, mga 2 months pa lang ang Guinness, mayroon na tayong ganitong insidente!

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Para sa mga gusto pang i-enjoy ang Guinness natin. Found a way to replace the T-handlebar that is WAY cheaper than replacing the whole folding stem assembly.

Giving you back, the venerable Quill stem:

- 100mm height adjustment;
- 50mm effective extension;
- +60° angle

Found this at an entry-level LBS. Take note this is a 25.4mm (1") diameter quill that is used on threaded, 1 1/8" steerer tube fork. There is a smaller 22.2mm diameter that is used on older 1" threaded forks.

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pwede nga po yang squill system sir, but how long is it? same as t-bar in lenght po ba yan? and where did you bought that black model? thank you sir.

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