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Old 02-17-2012, 03:49 PM
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29er hard tails rock!

you maintain the climbing efficiency of a hard tail while the 29er wheels take care of the gnarly stuff.

opinion lang naman hehehe
Made me think of going 29er, if budget only permits...
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:03 PM
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Default Re: Does a hardtail bike make you respect the trail a bit more?

Does a hardtail bike make you respect the trail a bit more? YES


Learn how to use your hardtail, para ka na din naka FS nyan. hehehe
Ito pang inspire sa mga hardtail trail riders.....

*note - paki disregard na lang yung audio. hehehehe

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Default Re: Does a hardtail bike make you respect the trail a bit more?

Look at the rear suspension @1:16 move! Ay legs pala yun hindi shocks

Going back, look how the HT rider makes himself "light" during the rough sections of the trail. I wouldn't say that an HT would make you respect a trail more, but it would teach you the proper way to ride it.
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Default Re: Does a hardtail bike make you respect the trail a bit more?

Thanks to this thread, I have second thoughts in ditching my Giant Revel 0 for the Giant Trance X2. Made me realize that indeed, my basic hard tail has handled rough trails it was not designed for (the dh video look familiar...i've used my ht over similar trails but place rocks, boulders and potholes on the path), yet my ht and I survived, albeit with shaking hands and knees after. But boy, if I can only use an expensive bike in attracting babes, I'll get the Trance. Nye he he...
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Yes. And it makes me respect more those who attack the trails with their hardtails.
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Also, notice the difference in the attack position of both riders. The guy on the HT rides the handlebars unloading the rear to allow the back of the bike to move up and down while the FS riders has his weight more centered on the bike. I just learned the "riding the bars" technique and I can say that it has brought my riding to the next level; I ride a HT.
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I respect...hahah first time sa trail na wala gaanong bato bato..ok na ok
next medyo mabato na at pudpud na nevegal gamit ko..medyo madulas na pero ok pa
3rd time naramdaman ko yung tagtag sakit sa katawan kala ko kadun lang kadali..hehehe...next time try ko sabayan lang yung agos ng tagtag.

kaya ko na sa leg part pero yung upper part ko para bang kinokontra kasi lagi yung roughness ng trail.nakakangatog ng kamay, braso at balikat..
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ht is fun, Masarap kasi mas aware ka sa pagpili ng lines. pag-timing ng brakes, pag absorb ng impact etc. Minsan mauuna pa mapagod utak mo bago sa kamay and hita... so yes, it gave me a deeper respect for all the features of a trail. it also gave mo more respect sa capabilities ng katawan natin to cope.

but, sometimes, you just want to forget it all and let the bike go all out. sagasa lang ng sagasa, hit the trails without being concerned too much about the best line, and puro fun lines lang, kahit medyo alanganin ang approach go pa rin. it's during these times na my respect goes to the design and capabilities of a FS bike
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HT and FS really are the same. Some bikers prefer FS knowing it will give them more comfortable ride in trails, maybe because they know having rear suspensions will neglect any bumps, but sad to say they will still feel the bumps.

Maybe one reason why FS was developed is because it can handle more punishment than HT. But rider comfort is the same with HT and FS. What really matters is how you ride. Whether you're using rigid forks, your elbows will be the suspension. You're using HT? your knees will be the rear suspension.

and if you think HT sucks on downhill trails, watch this..

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HT and FS really are the same.

But rider comfort is the same with HT and FS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv7TyakE8qw
You've made very valid points, but I beg to differ on the two above. HT and FS are definitely NOT the same. They are two different tools used for the same purpose. Rider comfort is definitely NOT the same. You can ride the same trails on both HT and FS, yes, and a skilled rider can ride almost any trail on an HT, but not all riders - can be as skilled as the rider on the video. Just because he can doesn't mean most people can. Different strokes for different folks. I still have both HT and FS, but for most of the trails I ride, my FS is my go to bike. I might as well have the most fun while I'm riding. I also respect the trail regardless if I'm on my HT or FS. Don't get me wrong, I totally dig most of what you stated.
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yup... i second the motion

in the hands of a skilled rider, an ht can take on anything an fs can. But even those skilled riders feel the difference. that video does not show the face of the rider grimacing on every drop to flat and rockies he is hitting. It also does not show how his riding and speed (although he was definitely going fast) would probably be twice as fast if he was on even a short travel fullsusser.

someone who doesn't feel a difference between the two while riding a trail is probaly riding 1. something not rough enough, or 2. not fast enough
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When you go fast don't things tend to smoothen out?
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When you go fast don't things tend to smoothen out?
in some cases yes, for example are trails with small bumps.

but when things go big, slow or fast it doesn't get any smoother.
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When you go fast don't things tend to smoothen out?
Try going fast over the ordinary streethump on a hardtail.

Seated.

Now that's fun...

to watch.
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Default Re: Does a hardtail bike make you respect the trail a bit more?

I ride XC on both, It's just a matter of switching your riding modes, HT just requires more off the saddle riding when on rough terrain while on FS bikes, you can take on some obstacles seated. I must say that my HT beats my FS in climbing on paved road , while my FS can go faster downhill on the trail. It's a matter of chosing a good line when on the trail.
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When you go fast don't things tend to smoothen out?
On some trails, yes (as sir Anthrax said), such as dirt roads, hardpack, small rocks, but on rock gardens, very uneven and "chattery" dirt, small drops (and needless to say, badder terrain), a hardtail will never feel as smooth as an FS bike -- ever. You will have your work cut out for you. Puede ka smooth tingnan but your joints, teeth and brain will tell you that you are on a hardtail. After long rides you will feel it.
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Default Re: Does a hardtail bike make you respect the trail a bit more?

Came from HT to FS to Rigid and back to HT.
HT and FS not same.
FS feels like riding clouds.
HT feels like riding clouds. [says my arms]
Rigid feels like one-with-the-road/trail. [goes 0-60 in 3 secs. hehe]
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Default Re: Does a hardtail bike make you respect the trail a bit more?

gagaling ka kapag nasanay ka sa hardtail tulad ng mamang/mamaw na ito naka HT na SS pa.

http://www.bikemag.com/news/guy-wins...peed-hardtail/
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Rigid steel fork + hardtail made me roll faster through singletrack trails. Di ko alam kung bakit pero malaki ibinilis ko lalo na sa mga palusong. Siguro dahil alam kong wala akong suspension, mas nag-focus ako sa ginagawa ko, hence nakapamili ako ng linya ko.
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as for the question if a hardtail will make you respect the trail.. well probably yes. A hardtail will tell you to choose a smooth line unlike the point and shoot fs.. Para sakin, you must learn the fundamentals of biking on a hardtail before jumping to a FS..
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